I did a poll recently, where 81% of my followers mentioned that mold had affected their eczema. This episode interviewed Brian Karr, who’s a mold expert and an indoor environmental consultant who specializes in working with hypersensitive individuals with complex medical conditions. He helps them to understand if mold, mycotoxins or other indoor pathogens exist in their homes that may be contributing to their health conditions, and how to remedy those issues.
In this episode, Brian shared about all about how mold is prevalent in 80-90% of homes in the USA. He also shares how you can detect mold, inspect mold, and remediate mold in the home so it doesn’t affect your skin. He also shares the best air purifiers for your house.
Another important point is that moving away from a home with mold can still affect you after you move because the mold spores can stay in your body (and also in your belongings and clothes. You can learn more about this in the podcast).
Brian has helped over 3,000 hypersensitive individuals nationwide to create healthier living environments. Brian is also the co-founder of We Inspect (http://www.yesweinspect.com), a national indoor environmental assessment company specializing in mold and biotoxin detection and management for hypersensitive individuals. He is also the creator of Mold Masterclass (https://www.moldmasterclass.com), a digital training program developed for hypersensitive individuals.
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So, hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of the eczema podcast. I have a really great guest on the show today. His name is Brian Karr. He is an indoor environmental consultant. He specializes in mold. He’s a mold expert. He’s worked with a lot of hypersensitive individuals and he’s actually helped over 3000 hyper-sensitive individuals nationwide. And he’s also the co-founder of weinspect a national indoor environmental assessment company specializing in mold and biotoxin detection and the management for hyper-sensitive sensitive individuals. And you can also find an on mold master class on Instagram. And I just thought I’m going to be a wealth of knowledge. I found him on Instagram and he was one of the few more people who are sharing, who is sharing a lot of information about mold, especially because I had a lot of leaks in my house. So I became very interested in this topic and how it can affect eczema as well. And then when I started talking to Brian, I discovered that he also started getting email on his face because he was inspecting so many houses with mold. So I’m just going to introduce Brian and let him share more about his story, what he’s dealt with in terms of eczema and helping others, other people as well, and how he got into helping people. So, hi Brian.
Hi. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
It’s my pleasure. So happy to have you on the show today.
Yeah, me too. I’ve been looking forward to it. We’ve had this on the books for like two, three months. So it’s been on the calendar.
Yeah. So, so tell me your story, how, how did you get into becoming a mold expert and what’s your story? What’s your own personal story with eczema?
Yeah, so you know, the mold expert thing, it’s a question I get a lot cause it’s not something that people, you know, think about doing, you know, it’s not like you’re growing up, it’s going to be great. But I was… My father-in-law owns a company in Los Angeles called the Mold Guy and he is one of the foremost experts in the country, you know, on mold and how to detect and how to remediate and kind of all the things that I do now. And my father in laws, the mold guy,
I’m on other podcasts I think.
Yeah, he was on Dr. G’s podcast a little bit ago. And he’s been on a couple of other ones, so
that’s amazing. I didn’t know you were related.
Yeah, I actually, I work with him in Los Angeles locally and then my company, we inspect as a nationally based company that uses live video streaming tech that allows me to basically, work with people remotely without having to be there personally. So what we do is we send a consultant that we have trained out to whoever’s property wherever city they’re located in and he is outfitted with a really high end live video streaming tech. And I am with him in his ear, the entire inspection. So I’m actually conducting the inspection if it’s in Maine or New Hampshire that we’ve been from our home office. So we inspect was really a way for us to be able to help people outside of our local market. So, that’s how that puts together. But, yeah, you know, a long time ago he asked me to come out and see if I was interested in and I was, and all of a sudden I started getting involved in the medical conferences that focus on mold and its effect on human health. And I started traveling to those and making relationships with different practitioners across the country and fast forward, you know, several years later, you know, one of the top resources that get referred out to really understand exposures and how to identify and how to remediate. So it’s been a very rewarding path because you could see, you know, the benefit and the help that you’re giving to people. And that’s really, really, that’s what it’s about at the end of the day.
Yeah. Really. That’s so cool. So then in terms of your own, exposure, so you started getting eczema on your face because you’re inspecting so many houses with mold?
Well, yeah, so, you know, I haven’t had it formally, you know, look, but I definitely know that there’s a correlation between, like when I do inspections in person towards when I start seeing outbreaks. And I’ve also been tested, which I haven’t really shared with anybody, but I’ve been tested for mycotoxins in my own body and I have three different mycotoxins that are actually present at high levels in my own body. And it’s simply because of what I do. So I go into every, basically has a problem because they’re being referred to me by their doctor who’s seeing the signals first. So when I get a referral from a practitioner, basically every time you go into one of those houses, there are issues because they’re already seeing it. So they’re seeing it in the, in their patient’s clinical tests. And so when I go into these homes, I’m being exposed all the time.
I definitely take a lot of precautions. I’m on a whole bunch of detox methods, which we can even talk about if she wants to later. But you know, I do everything that I can, but still it’s, it kinda builds up and I start to notice like, especially around where I wear my mask, cause it covers up, you know, kind of around here. I start to get breakouts, you know, around kind of my nose and, and you know, upper lips areas where my mask sits. And so, it’s something I’ve been looking into, and things that I can do to kind of counteract the red light therapy device. I’m kind of excited about. I’d love to hear your thoughts on those things.
The red light therapy, makers, about red light therapy in one of my last episodes and it, it helps a lot of eczema apparently as well.
Yeah, that’s what I was seeing and hearing. I was looking at the juve and I was looking at, the platinum led Biomax and I ended up getting the second one just for the cost difference. But I’m really excited it’s showing up on Thursday, which… He’s there right now. So I got two days until it shows up. So I’m looking forward to it. Yeah.
Well let me know how it goes. I’ve been wanting to try it as well, so I think that’s one thing I’ll end up doing. But yeah, that’s just so interesting that you recognize that the more houses that you see and that you test for mold, that you’re also getting a reaction.
Yeah. You know, I think it’s, it’s fortunate that I, have relationships with so many different doctors because, and that are functional doctors. I think that’s really important cause it’s all about trying to understand what the root cause of a problem is. And I haven’t gone to see a dermatologist because I kind of feel it’s going to be put creams on your face and do certain things. And I just feel like because of what I’m doing, that there’s more of a root issue to what’s causing it. And I want to try to solve that piece. Obviously I’m not, can I stop going and helping people and kind of helping them in their homes. But if there are things that I can do, physiologically to help kind of counteract that stuff, that’s what I’m trying to focus on first.
Yeah. And I think that’s great that you’re tackling the root cause. So I guess one thing I’m curious about is that even though you’re wearing a mask and a suit, when you enter these houses, the mold still is, you’re able to irritate like, I guess not just yours, but it must be like other people’s skin as well. Like, especially even if you’re wearing a mask, it must be so powerful that it can cause such an effect.
Well there’s a few things about how any sort of environmental contaminants gonna affect someone and there’s, what’s their genetic makeup and first, so genetically they’re more predisposed to, environmental contaminants to be able to trigger them. So people like with autoimmune disease or there’s a gene in the body called the HLA gene, which was, figured out by dr Richie Shoemaker. Your 5% of the population has a mutation of the HLA gene that doesn’t allow them to detox mold and mycotoxin an environmental contaminants properly. So somebody just genetically has that, then their body has more difficult time clearing it and it builds up. So that’s definitely one big piece of the equation.
Oh, and sorry, you cut out a bit, but you said 25%?
Yeah, that’s what dr shoemaker’s research showed. I think it’s 24, but it’s somewhere right around there that shows that. Yeah.
Yeah, I came across Dr. Shoemaker as well and I know he has a lot of great information. So for people who are not sure if they do have mold in their house, like I know most people don’t know if they do have mold, but I saw some statistic that said that 50% of homes in the States actually do have mold and a lot of Airbnb and hotels do as well. So what are your thoughts on that?
I think that number is low to be honest with you. I think there, there’s an epidemic. Yeah. Some of the sick buildings and the reason that it happens is best statistic of 50% of building that’s reported water events and typically people are reporting bigger types of issues like floods and, and you know, larger kind of water losses like that doesn’t need that much water. And so there are small things. You could have small leaks under sinks, you could have issues and pipes that are behind walls that you’re not seeing. There’s so many other types of water events that can occur in a home that you just don’t know about. And also, you know, growing up we were never taught in houses that these types of things were issues. So, you know, a lot of times I’ll talk with someone, they’ll be like, Oh yeah, we had a, you know, we had a roof leak. But you know, we fixed the leak and so we’re all good. And the problem is that if mold grew as a result of that roof leak, it is still going to be in the house. So yeah, the contamination and the impact of building materials and not just kind of fix the source of the water leak. And so when you start adding all those elements together [inaudible] that 50% number for me seems very, very low. And I bet you it’s closer to 80, 90%, to be honest, from the houses that I’ve been into.
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Yeah. So you know the question, we were talking about 50% of houses being water damaged and you know, I think that that number is really low and, and the reason is that, you know, and when people think of water damage, I think a big floods or big water events and that’s what’s reported. But there are so many other smaller water that occur in houses that either people don’t know about that are hidden or that happen and they just think it’s kind of a normal thing and we’ll fix the source of the leak and it’s fine. But the reality is, if there is a water event and if mold grows as a result of that, which there’s a good likelihood if it’s not addressed quickly, then even if you fix the source of leaks. So let’s say you had a roof leak, it impacted a ceiling and a bedroom and you fixed the roof, but we did nothing with the ceiling. We did nothing with the attic that might’ve been above that, then there’s likely still going to be a mold problem that’s up in that space. So when we talk about that 50% number and then you start thinking of all these other small little water things that happen, and then the older houses, the more history accumulates, the more tiny things happen. You know, I think that that number, that 50% number, I personally 90 honestly.
Wow. That’s, that’s a lot.
Yeah. And it’s a big challenge and it’s a big challenge to figure out where these things are happening. And it’s a big challenge for people to be able to find homes that are not water damaged and don’t have these types of environmental issues. And that’s a big issue as well.
So how would people, like you mentioned if there are pipes behind a wall that they can’t see, how would they looking into that and suspecting it?
There’s more there. Well, a lot of times, you know, people have [inaudible] the, the visible issue that comes from a leak like that, especially if they’re not a hypersensitive person, cause they may not, they may not be reacting to things. The people that I work with are, are more sensitive, so they’re not, they’re not kind of your mainstream population. They’re the people that are being more affected by hidden things. And so those people might be showing, whether it’s in their clinical tests where they’re showing inflammatory markers or they’re actually testing for mold toxins in their body. Sinus cultures that are showing mold growing in their noses and their sinuses. A lot of times when we go into those health, out of visible mold growth anywhere. And that’s really the big challenge and that’s where the, the way that the inspection is done is so important because we have to be looking at historical areas of water intrusion areas that maybe the client doesn’t even know about.
And then also understanding the history of the house. Has there been previous water events, what has been done as a result of those water events? And we then go in and basically try to identify if those areas have any hidden problems. So the majority of mold that is going to be president not visible. And when you’re dealing people with people that have hypersensitivities or autoimmune issues that are triggering and skin issues are obviously a part of that and, you know, kind of the normal treatments are not working. It’s really important to say, okay, is the environment part of what’s contributing to this? And if that’s the case, then we have a very in depth, a inspection and protocol that we use. So identify that.
That’s really interesting. I think I mentioned that my house had like a… I had a couple of weeks.Sso what happened was that there were two toilet leaks and then there was one roof leak. But you know, people can figure out, we had one plumber come in but he couldn’t figure out where the toilet, like, where the leaks are coming from. And then so then the shower started leaking more and then the, my ceiling started like falling down a little bit and then water trickled down. We had to have it opened up and I think this, the leaks were happening for at least over a month and we did everything up, including the roof leaks. And I don’t know how, but I feel so blessed that there was no mold behind there. And I’ve heard that mold can develop within 48 hours of a leak,
some within 24. It depends on the mold type and what’s there. Certain molds are very fast colonizers. They happen within, you know, maybe a day or two other modes require more water and more on a longer amount of time. So if you’ve heard the phrase black toxic mold, which a lot of people have heard, that mold is particularly called Stacie BA trees is what they’re referring to. That mole can take up to a couple of weeks to grow, how much water’s there. So it just depends on the type and what’s there. But yeah, it’s, it’s something that can happen relatively quickly.
So it wasn’t actually a rare event that none of the three leaks that I had at my house started to mold.
Yeah. I mean maybe, I don’t know. It’s hard to, it’s harder without seeing it. I know that where there is water mold can follow relatively quickly. So at the same time, one of my family members just had, they live in a condo and they just had a flood that basically started above their unit, and King down into their unit. And it happened and it took about maybe fiber, so days to get all the walls and ceilings opened up. And then we did testing in there and there was actually no molds on anything at that point. And there was a good amount of water, however, there is bacteria and sewage byproducts in there. So there was a whole separate thing that gave it that he needs to deal with. Yeah.
So I have a lot of listeners that probably don’t think they have mold in their house, especially when I’m worked with allow a lot of clients, I asked them if they have mold and then you know, most of the time they say they don’t. But then there’s also the possibility that, you know, they’re not aware of it or you know, where the issues that might be present. So how would someone start finding out if there is mold in their home?
So there’s a couple things with this. I think the first thing is, is to really trust your doctor. And, and I know so many times that, doctors working with their patient and they say, listen, I think I what I’m seeing, I think you have a mold issue. And, and the patient’s like, no, no, our house doesn’t have mold. You know, we keep it clean, we do whatever. And the challenges, we don’t see all of it. And so I would say the first step is if your doctor is telling you that a markers or whatever it is specifically, that they’re looking for this, telling them that there’s mold, believe them. Because in my experience, every time that’s happened, every single time they were right. So that’s the first thing. If you’re working with a functional integrative doctor and they’re doing that type of testing and it comes up, just put your faith in that doctor. You chose them because you trust them. So that’s the first thing I would say.
Do regular doctors usually catch onto this or ever suspect this?
you’re… [Inaudible] from from my experience, not really. So like your general practitioners and kind of mainstream Edison kind of people, they don’t really look for it. It’s more of the idea of take this pill, take this, you know, cream, do whatever this stuff is and we’re basically gonna fix the symptom and fixing the symptom isn’t going to fix the ongoing issue that’s going on. Functional medicine doctors, integrative medicine doctors, they are actually trying to figure out inside of your body, physiologically what is triggering whatever problem they’re seeing. And furthermore, understanding that you’re, that your physiological body is, so if they’re seeing things that are going on that are making them think that you’re getting, you know, high inflammatory reactions or different markers that are tied to different molds or what not, then the understanding is like, okay, yes, mold can come through food. We understand that, but environment is actually a big bulk of the exposure that you get.
So let’s make sure we take that out of the equation and then kind of work it that way. So, you know, it’s a more in depth process. It’s not as easy as saying, let’s take a pill. It takes some time to go through it. But I think, and obviously I’m not a doctor, I talk a lot about doctor things, but it’s just because I, I have a lot of friends that are in the world. But this, this, this whole idea of chronic fill in the blank, chronic fatigue, chronic, you know, whatever, whatever it is that you’re dealing with that had been labeled some sort of chronic type of issue, is labeled that because the doctors don’t know what’s causing it. So they’ll say, Oh, it’s this thing that just happens all the time. So we have to try to limit the pain or limit the, you know, the reaction. It’s giving you chronic issues happen for a reason. And our bodies are not meant to have this chronic pain. And so why are they happening and how can we address it? And that’s really a team effort between a medical practitioner that can look at it from that perspective from the body, and then an environmental person like me that could go in and understand that impact. And it’s the teamwork of those two people that can help start putting people on the back, on the path back to help.
And I think that’s really, really important. And I think a, it’s so great what you told me your plans, but what you’re going to do, your podcasts that you’re going to start and also just integrating like different practitioners. I think that’ll help so many people.
Yeah. I have a big vision for the year to basically expand on my education platforms. So I create a mold masterclass two years ago, which is an online training course, basically helps understand how to identify and then also how to remediate mold and mycotoxins in the home. Then it’s all built around the idea of hypersensitive and mold sensitive people. So that was kind of my first step into this education world fair. My big plan is to really expand that platform. I have a lot of different things that we’re going to be including, can’t talk too much about it now, but I’m really excited as it’s going to roll out towards the end of the year and it’s going to be, in my opinion, from the way that I’m seeing it, it’s going to be a big game changer for people that are looking to gather information and get direction on things. I’m excited about it.
Well that’s really, really great. I’m really excited about that and to hear it unfold.
So I guess people could, they start suspecting mold. It’s like, you know, when they go on vacation or when they leave their house, they feel better.
I was on a tangent, there was more to this. Yes, thank you. So that’s one big thing. So if your it, you know, if you’re not feeling a certain way and you’re not 100% and then you go on vacation or you leave your house for like a week and all of a sudden you’re feeling a lot better, big, big, big red flag that there is an issue in your house that’s causing problems. And a lot of times it’s going to be a water damage issues like mold or bacteria or different biotoxins. So that’s a huge sign. Another thing is that if you’re working with your doctor and you have these issues and they can’t figure out what the problem is and they keep trying to give you meds and other things and nothing is working, odds are there’s something else that’s contributing to it.
And so it may be a combination of some sort of, a kind of metaphor [inaudible] but it could also be that in conjunction with environmental issues that are triggering that issue. So you know, I think those are our three kind of kind of big things. So the first one, like I mentioned a few minutes ago, if your doctor’s telling you, then they’re probably right. The second one is if you leave your home for a period of time and notice that you’re feeling better and then you come back and all of a sudden you’re not feeling super hot again. Huge, huge red flag. And then like I said, the third one is if you’re kind of working with a lot of, with, with different doctors and they can’t figure it out, then the next step is say, okay, if we can’t figure this out just from in my body, then what’s in the environment here that could possibly be triggering this stuff? And I think those are three key chaplains.
Yeah, I think that’s important too. I, I’ve also been talking to a lot of people who mentioned that they went on vacation, they came back and they felt a lot better. I think part of it could also be due to less stress. Also having, you know, more, just more fun maybe for me, I recently went on vacation and I actually noticed it was my bedding that was causing me to not really heal. And I think that was really interesting cause I noticed that the bedding I had since I was flaring up a lot. So I think for some people that could probably be an issue as well.
Yeah. You know, there’s so many things that can, that can impact someone and it’s completely dependent on their genetics and their previous exposures and then whatever their current health position may be at that point in time is their immune system or compromise right now for some reason versus something else. It’s difficult, especially when you go down the idea of, okay, let’s try to figure out where it’s coming from versus just trying to do quick fixes. It ends up being elimination of not on diet, but also trying to test your environment, figure out your products that you’re using, all that stuff and can be a part of it. It’s a lot,
but it can be overwhelming for some people, but it’s trial and error I guess. Just finding out, you know, one step at a time, what it could be.
It can and you’re totally right with it being overwhelming. And the thing that I try to tell people that I work with is let’s take this one step at a time was row. Let’s not think that we’re throwing everything out yet. Let’s not think that we’re changing up everything. Let’s figure out if, if step one, whatever step one is, let’s figure it out. That’s an issue, right? If it’s an issue, let’s address it and then let’s go to the next step if we need to. But you might not have to at that point. Maybe what you handled this enough. And I think a lot of times people, I, you know, I’m, I do the same thing. It’s just natural human nature to to think it had like, Oh, what’s going to happen if I do this? Oh, we just figured this out. And next thing you know, you’ve created this future in your mind of this scenario that you, I seen you out. And, and, and that’s actually a big part of obviously, you know, kind of mental wellbeing too, is to be able to try to eliminate that, that fear creation that hasn’t even happened yet. And then that triggers your cortisol levels and all these other things that you do for stress and everything. And so, you know, taking care of your body is a very holistic idea of trying to manage that overwhelmed feeling by kind of focusing on the now and taking your baby. Brilliant.
Definitely. So if people see a little bit of mold in their house, can they take care of it on their own and just use, you know, mold spray to take care of it? Or at what point should they call a consultant like yourself to help with them?
So I would say I would never want anyone to take care of something themselves. And I know a lot of people try to be do it yourselfers and say, Oh, we can handle this, we’ll just surface clean this for whatever. You know, a couple of things on that. The first thing is if you’re seeing mold somewhere, mold is kind of like an iceberg. So the Titanic didn’t see the giant thing underwater, they barely saw the tip of it, ran into it, and then the giant thing on the water destroyed the whole ship. Right. And that’s kind of the same concept with mold. If you’re seeing the tip of it, there’s a possibility that there’s a lot bigger issue that’s hidden somewhere. And so the cleaning something is that you’re not really addressing the hidden portion of it. It’s all still there. And any mold behind walls or ceilings, 100% impacts the living space.
It’s not like trapped back there. And so if you’re only trying to clean the very surface of it, you’re missing out on potentially a lot of other issue that’s back there. The second issue is that, you know, if you do try to, let’s say remove a little bit of drywall or whatever it is that someone’s going to try to do on their own, the other big emanates the home and your contents and belongings very easily. So when you create a disturbance like cutting out drywall or or, or removing anything like that, it’s kind of creating like a, a microscopic explosion of what’s going on back there and all that stuff bursts out into the space and moves around your house. It gets caught up in the heating air conditioning system. Now it’s getting transferred all over the whole home. And it could even impact your heating and air conditioning system.
So it’s really important that remediation is done under proper containment protocols, which, is a fancy word of saying, let’s see all this stuff up to make sure that it does. And so even things, I don’t look that big can create a larger contamination issue if they’re not handled in the appropriate manner. So I always think that you need to have, you know, proper remediation license for mediators come in. But even the step before that have someone like, like us come in, who’s an inspector, who can actually try to figure out the extent of the problem. So remediators most remediators view these projects as construction projects. So they’re coming in, they’re removing stuff, they’re doing some cleaning and [inaudible] doing inspection to figure out how far is the water travel. Is there more than might be hidden somewhere else and an adjacent wall or maybe in the room down below as a week through the room down below. So what we do is that we try to figure out the source point of where it’s located and then also how has that spread and moved throughout the house potentially. And create a plan that’s encompassing of all of that. So we don’t miss anything. And that’s a big piece too.
So does that mean that if someone has a leak in the house, it would be a good idea to maybe contact one of you guys? too.
Yeah. And you know, even if it’s not us, but to have [inaudible] iStat that and understand is it a situation where we caught it fast enough and we got it dried out and there was no mold that grew here or is it a bigger problem and do we need to do more cleaning and more removal on remediation to understand that anytime that there’s a historical water events, mold needs to be a top, top priority and because it can so easily form and then the health, you know, reactions that occur from that can be very significant and manifest in many different ways for people.
Yeah. I think that’s really important as well. You know, during my research on mold, I also read that mold can travel through plastic, and even walls. So it’s kind of, it’s just so potent. It can travel through anything. So even if you close the door, it can still travel through it.
Hundred hundred percent. And there’s a couple of reasons for that. One is that the fine particles that are, that are kind of broken off with these mole colonies. They’re incredibly, incredibly small too pass through drywall. So these, you know, wall looks solid to us, but the reality is that it’s a lot of tightened wound. You know, I put it together. These particles are so small that they can work through that. And when it comes to our bodies, our bodies have essentially a natural filtration process to, to filter out all the stuff that we breathe. Starts in your nose, works down, you know, towards your lungs. And the idea is to protect your lungs and ultimately your blood from whatever you’re breathing. Well, these fine particles are much smaller than what our body’s filtration can handle. So they can go all the way down without being held up, get into your lungs and then actually work into the blood and then move through body that way. So this stuff travels, it travels easily. The air currents, the air pressure in your house, which is very normal. It’s going to move it everywhere just naturally. And then if you have a heating air conditioning system that’s also going to pick it up and move it around. So there’s a lot of ways for it to travel. So it’s definitely something that needs to be taken seriously. When you understand the impact and how it’s going to move.
When I was part of a lot of Facebook groups, I would read the forums just like every day. And you know, it was kind of scary in a way because some people had to change all their, you know, like the heating cooling system and they said they had, they had to spend like $50,000 just to change the whole, you know, all their, yeah, the whole, all the air ducts and stuff as well. So that’s kind of crazy. If that happens,
it is and sometimes that has to happen. Missioning systems and duct work separately from the house so we can understand how the system has been impacted versus what’s going on in the house. Sometimes they do need to be removed. Other times, you know, they might be able to be cleaned also differe in larger homes you have multiple air conditioning systems. So one might service, let’s say the basement and the downstairs, another one services the upstairs. If you had a waterproofing issue, let’s say that impacted your basement, that caused a lot of problems in the, everything that’s going on in the house, then the system that’s closer to down there is likely to be more heavily impacted. And maybe the system that’s servicing the upstairs hasn’t really been hit that hard. And if that’s the case, maybe you can clean it. So we actually test each system separately so we can understand the full view of what’s impacted, what’s not impacted. Because you’re right, you know, to replace an HVAC system is very expensive. So we want to be able to have enough data that we can share that says, yes, we think that’s needed or you know what we think that maybe we can get by and try to clean it, maybe retest it afterwards and take another look at it and see what’s there.
And I think that’s really important. And what about addicts? Because I actually found a lot of added mold in my attic, when I had, when I had it, when I had some things fixed in it. So I was told that the mold in the attic actually isn’t harmful because it’s, the type of mold it is. but when I was reading up on it, I saw the, it can cause allergies and asthma and I noticed that the day after they cleaned the mold out, I was finding it hard to breathe in the room. So I would love to know your thoughts on attic mold because the guy that I also talked to you said that it’s very common to have a mold in the attic.
Especially because it’s not, it doesn’t have very good ventilation. A lot of times.
Yeah. So there’s a few things with this. So first, there’s no way to know what mold is in an attic unless you test it. So the mold that they’re talking about is called Ophiostoma is what people kind of consider a wood fungus. And because of that, they don’t think that it’s a big issue. The challenge is that mold looks like a bunch of other mold types too. So you know, you could be the best inspector that ever was, but you don’t have microscopes for eyes and there’s no way that you can know what that mold is unless it gets tested. And I will tell you, I tested every time I do a composite sample on an addict. If I see it, there’s mold everywhere. I test it every single time cause you can’t make that assumption. And a lot of times it’s not that mold.
A lot of times it’s Aspergillus or it’s penicillium or something else that’s growing. Does that attic mold is not a thing. Like mold is mold and it can grow anywhere. I just needs the right environment. So that’s the first thing. Second thing. Mold is pretty common in addicts. A lot of that is due to what you were saying about ventilation, but the reason that the ventilation is an issue is because in the natural airflow in a house throughout a majority of the year is going to push air from the bottom of the house upwards to the top of the house. The top of the house is your attic and it’s going to settle up there. So if you have a one, if you have mold issues in inside the living spaces of your house, it’s going to get moved upward, right? And then it’s going to settle up there.
Second, if there are any sort of humidity or moisture issues in your house, it is also going to get moved up and it’s going to get pushed up in there. So you can actually create an environment from a humidity perspective that’s going to allow mold to grow. And then the actual pressure of the building that’s funneling mold and contaminants, it’s up there. It’s going to create more of an issue up there so you can actually start having mold grow up there because of that. the other thing to keep in mind is that standard building practices don’t protect the wood before it is used to build a house. And then even while you’re building a house, when it gets like they’re not covering the houses and protecting the houses, a lot of times what’s happening in the attic is not because some sort of issue occurred in the attic necessarily.
It’s because of the wood that they use to build the house was already contaminated when they, when they brought it in. So that’s another thing that happens too. But regardless of why it’s happening, the reality is is that anything that’s occurring in your attic from a more growth perspective is going to circulate throughout the house and impact you. So the airflow in a house is a contiguous system. Sometimes it moves more upwards, sometimes it moves more downwards. When you turn on an air conditioning system, it creates a negative pressure that pulls air toward the system. So it’s going to pull from up and down into the main living spaces, the air pressure issues that happen continuously throughout the house. That means anything that’s connected to the living space, which includes your attic or crawl space or basement, your garage, if they have shared walls, anything that’s going on in those spaces will be impacting the actual occupied living space. So making sure that those areas are handled, you know, and don’t have issues going on is really important.
So what happens if, you know, after, they have discovered there’s mold and then they try to clean it up. how would people get rid of the mold in the house? So for example, is there like an air filter you recommend or like bathroom exhaust fans to get the mold out or,
yeah, you know, it depends on the level of what we’re dealing with. there is a cleaning process that you can do throughout the house as meant to grab these smaller particles that are floating in the air and extract them out of the house. That’s a big piece of it. Source removal is always the approach to get rid of this stuff. It’s not spraying it with something and trying to kill it since saying, Oh, I’ve thought of the house, everything is fine. That stuff doesn’t work. You actually have to remove the issue. The problem with a cross contaminated house is that it’s not that the issue is growing in the air, it’s that it’s in the air because there was a source somewhere else that moved it through the house. So what we need to do is grab the particles that are floating in the air, grab them, pull them down to the surfaces and then wipe the surfaces and get rid of them.
And so there are processes that could incorporate fogging as part of that to get these tiny particles attach the tool that makes it heavier and brings it down to the surface and then we can then wipe it over or the mediator can wipe it away. You can extract that out that that’s the first step really. If you’re trying to do a deeper claim, if your issue isn’t that significant and you’re just trying to kind of maintain, then yes, definitely air filtration devices can be used. There are some high, kind of like high level ones that are meant for more, you know, sensitive people in medical applications. That would be the ones that make the most sense, but they can help filter a lot of these small particles out of the space. Yeah.
That’s great to hear. I think you did a story on this before saw and I think was it your doctor that you recommended as an air filter?
It was the, I adapt air from air. Oasis was the one that I did. And so the reason I like it, it has a couple of different functionalities to it. So it’s a filter, which a lot of them are. And when I mean filter, basically what’s happening is that you have your unit and it’s sucking air into the unit and then it has filtration built in. It’s pulling out out small particles. So, so that’s the first step. And we’re trying to get particles that are smaller than the size of mold. So a HEPA filter, which you can, which are cheaper filters you can buy, they’re gonna that’s about the size of a molds for right. So that’s the standard of what HEPA filtration is, but we want to do is filter much smaller than that because the [inaudible], the particles that break off of the mole colonies are much smaller than the mold than the spores themselves.
So we need to filter that stuff out cause those are the particles that I mentioned earlier that bypass our body much more easily. So that’s really what we’re concerned with, that airways is, I adapt air filters down to 0.007 microns. So you think 0.3 to 0.007 is a very big difference in magnitude of the size of a particle. So that’s the first step is to be able to filter something out from a particular perspective. The other thing I liked that that unit does is that it releases ions out into the living space too, that are oppositely charged from biological contaminants. Meaning they create like a magnetic effect. So like mold the bacteria and then they break them down at the point where they attached to them. So if you imagine your unit, it’s sucking air in and filtering when it hits in, but it’s also sending out all these invisible little ions that are traveling throughout the room.
And then if, let’s say you’re in an office and there’s, you know, some mold on your desk, well these ions are gonna float around. They’re going to see the desk and they’re going to go to it and they’re going to break it down because they have that opposite, magnetic fact. So that’s why I liked that unit cause it kind of incorporates both of those. If you have to choose one function over the other. Filtration is definitely the function that’s most important. But I like that unit because it added that other component in there and it’s nice to have.
That’s great. Yeah, cause I saw a lot of people recommend air doctor as well, but it’s good to know that you also have yours. So, maybe afterwards you can send me a link and I’ll include it in the description for people to find it.
Yeah, definitely. We actually created an entire website specifically around technology for mold and environmental issues. It’s moldairpurifiers.com, but we, we basically talked about our entire philosophy on it, how they should be, the different technologies should be combined together, how you build like an HVAC system along with portable units in a house to create a really, a holistic approach to air treatment. So yeah, I’ll definitely send you stuff on that, but there’s a lot of information there.
That’d be great. So, I want to talk about the causes of mold. So I know it’s not just water leakage, but I saw that the other cause of mold can actually be, if your house has a humidity over 55%.
Yes. So water and moisture is the cause, but it’s not necessarily like a big water event. So humidity is water, humidity is moisture, it’s just a version of it. So there are certain mold types that can grow just by having humidity. Race 55, 60%. And you know, somewhere in that threshold. That’s why when we were talking about the attic a minute ago, if you have a, let’s say an exhaust fan from a bathroom that is releasing directly in your attic, which is a big no, no, they should be releasing out of the, out of the roof and out of the house. But if for some reason they’re releasing it in the attic, you’re pumping essentially humid shower air into the attic and the attic because you’re upping that humidity. So the things that think about are, have there been any historic things that have happened in your house?
There’s a chance that there’s mold issues there. And when we say leaks, we don’t mean big floods. I mean, obviously that’s more of an an obvious issue. But a lot of times I’ll talk to people and, and I’ll look under there like kitchen sink for example, or their bathroom sink. I’ll be like, and I’ll show them like, Hey, there’s signs, there’s signs of water damage in here. This is an area that’s suspect. We want to test this. Like, Oh yeah, we, yeah, that’s [inaudible] that’s something that they think to tell you upfront about the history of the house. Cause we always want to understand the history. It’s those things that we need is these smaller leaks that we just don’t inherently think are a problem actually can be all the way to the point that you mentioned where if we’re just getting humidity issues. So if you’re having, if you’re taking really long hot showers in a room that doesn’t have an exhaust fan, then you’re really pumping up the humidity in that space and you can be creating problems that start growing throughout entire bathroom.
So that’s really important. Now what happens if like a house, there’s like big houses with like three stories. How would you work to decrease the humidity in like such a, you know, big house and if like you have three stories and also basement.
Yeah. Well part of it depends on what country or what part of the country you live in as well. So certain parts of the country are more humid than other parts of the country and in certain parts of the country, outside error because it might be dryer and other parts of the country because it’s very damp and humid outside, you actually don’t want to be introducing as much outside air and you need to have, you know, more humidification dehumidification, excuse me, processes in place inside the house to counteract the outside. So it really depends on where you are and how the air yes. And to manage that. And you know, obviously in different parts of the country there’s going to be different experts that specialize in their climate and understand how to look at that. But that’s a big thing. So like in Florida, you’re not wanting to necessarily pump in a bunch of external air into the house because you’re just going to be increased in Middleby. Whereas if you’re from Vegas, which is where I’m from, that’s not an issue at all. Right? So it’s the other way around. Let’s open the windows, let’s let things get out of, or the overall humidity in the house. So it’s a combination of understanding your climate and putting, building controls in place that are going to move the air the appropriate way. And then potentially introducing dehumidification devices in your basement, in your crawl space, attached your air conditioning system. You can put team humidifiers as well that can help manage that.
Would you recommend putting in dehumidifier, I guess on every floor, even in the somehow reaching the attic?
I immediately say to do that, I think it’s important to understand what the humidity levels are throughout the house. So part of what we do is that we’re doing relative humidity readings as we’re going through the house. If we’re seeing that the attic is, you know, 65, 70% and we’re like, okay, there’s some going on up here, you know, is it because exhaust in a bathroom is pushing air up here? You know, so let’s try to figure out why the humidity is where it is. If it’s determined that it’s just kind of because of where we live in the natural building pressure that’s moving air up there, then yeah, you could start looking at dehumidification options that, that can be placed up there. [inaudible]
that’s great. And what do you, what do you usually find is some are worse for mold or is like winter worse when it’s extremely cold outside and then the houses has a lot of heating?
So it’s an interesting question. There’s kind of two answers to that. The first is most mold problems happen because of issues inside your house. Inside your house is temperature controlled. So it doesn’t really matter what time of year it is. When you’re talking about I have a leak under a sink or I have something that’s going on. If there’s a moisture issue, mold is going to happen in it. What it’s like outside. The one thing that I will say where the, where the external temperature, we start noticing some trends is in colder weather climates. You’re not using your heater or excuse me, you’re not using your, you start using your heater. Sorry, I got confused when it gets colder. And so what’ll happen a lot is, you know, the summer will pass and all of a sudden it gets cold and some people are turning on their heaters. And what’s happened is that the dust build up in the microbial buildup within the HVAC systems has been accumulated maybe over months. And then when they turn the heater on, it burns off all the dust and the dust is, was carrying all the contaminants and people start reacting.
Well we do get a lot of calls around the colder months, especially from like Midwest, East coast because all of a sudden people are starting to notice problems. And really what’s happening is that there’s just been an accumulation in your heating system and then when you turn it on, you’re burning it. And now it’s working its way through much at a higher concentrated level and faster throughout the house. So we do see that in terms of trends for time here,
that’s very interesting. lots of interesting information. In terms of I guess if someone just sees like mold in the window sill, could they just clean it themselves or how or why would mold keep developing inside a window that for example, they might not even open?
Yeah. So I mean if you want to clean it the first time yourself, you can do that and you can use, just don’t use bleach to clean it as it’s my one PSA for this entire thing. Don’t use bleach to clean mold. It’s bad. So other than that though, you could try that on a whim. I on it though and see if it comes back. If it’s coming back, there’s likely some sort of issue with the seal of the window. So it’s not properly sealing the temperature changes from outside to inside. And it’s probably creating a form of condensation around where the window meets the, you know, like the metal encasing or even like where the, it’s an older house or might be wood sills or something around it. And if that’s happening then it’s actually a window issue that’s occurring. And so it’s going to continue to happen. And oftentimes if that’s the issue, you can actually end up having mold that starts impacting beyond the window, like the studs that surround the window and even below the windows. So that whole enclosure where your endo is kind of put into. So it’s definitely something to keep an eye on. It could be a sign that there’s a natural window issue for sealing out the differences in temperature and creating that condensation.
That’s really interesting. So if someone wants to start working on, I guess the mold in their body, do you have recommendations for that after they’ve contacted someone like you?
So that’s definitely not my area of expertise. What I would say is the first thing I would look at and I would grab a book called break the mold by Dr Joe Krista. She’s a good friend of mine and she, she wrote this book and it’s an amazing primer for how to essentially understand what mold and mycotoxins are doing to your body and then a lot of things that you can do to counteract that. So I would go baseline knowledge, we’d that book and get a feel for the different types of foods and different types of exposures, all the different things that you can do to help, you know, start kind of treating that.
Otherwise I would, in addition to that be looking for, I’m an integrative or functional medicine doctor in your area that, that specializes in mold. And there are a lot of them. It’s just, you know, it might be hard to find them in mold masterclass, which is the online training course that I have. I actually had a list of hundreds and hundreds of doctors throughout the country as a referral kind of for people to look at. So understanding, getting a mold literate, doctor, super important. But that book break the mold is a, is a great starting point to understand the things that you can do.
That’s very helpful. Thank you.
was there anything else you wanted to add that we might’ve missed talking about or that you feel might be helpful for the eczema community to know about?
You know, I think re rehashing something I mentioned earlier, I think really trying to on on, if you’re seeing reactions at a certain time, I try to really kind of take stock of you and what you’re doing and what might be going on with your body while that’s happening. I think it’s important. I think a lot of times, a lot of us, you know, me included everybody, we just kind of live our lives, you know, we’re in our routines, we’re feeling however we’re feeling and we’re not really looking at it under the scope of, okay, what, what am I doing that that can be triggering this? And so like I mentioned for me, I’ve started putting the correlation and when I, when I do multiple inspections back to back, I start seeing like flare ups like that. So that’s one thing I would say.
The other thing is if you do spend time away from your house, try to think about, yeah, it’s a, it’s a big, big, big indicator of something that could be going on. So I think just trying to be a little more aware of yourself and what your body is doing and when it’s doing it is, is a big thing. We obviously are not functional medicine doctors, but that is kind of the scope and the lens that they look at you under. They try to understand how do different things work with [inaudible] causes it to do certain things so they can start to try to figure out how to treat those things. And so if we look at ourselves, the much lesser trained version of that lens, we could at least try to put some correlations together. And I think that’s a good step to try to get a feel for what your body does in certain situations.
Yeah, and I think it’s interesting you mentioned to look at the history of the home because, you know, I’ve, I was following someone who was looking for a new house and you know, they could just sense the mold that was in there when they went to look at new houses. And so, you know, that’s kind of important to look at too. And I also heard that new houses can even Harbor mold more easily cause they might not have good ventilation systems. Compared to old homes.
Yeah. Every house has its strengths and its weaknesses. So there’s not, there’s not like the perfect storm of we’re going to get this place and it’s going to be great. Older homes have their challenges. The older a home is, the longer his history has been, the more little leaks and things have happened. The more maybe floods that have happened. And if that house is 50, 60, 70 years old, it’s probably had multiple owners that history dies as the owner leaves. Right. Cause you don’t know what happened before you, so you’re dealing with a lot in older homes that are unknown. Plus whatever you do know that’s happened while you were there. And newer houses, there can be issues too. There could be when they’re installing the toilet, the toilet floods and they just try to do it as quick as they can and put it all together.
And then you don’t know about that. I’ve done inspections on brand new houses where the air conditioning systems were completely gets Hammond. And it’s because during [inaudible] the air conditioning systems to task them and to try to make sure that they’re working. But in the meantime, they’re doing all of this disruption with construction and putting a bunch of stuff in there and then all of a sudden it ended up contaminated and telling someone in a brand new housing, you have to replace your air conditioning systems because they’re beyond the point of return at that point when they haven’t even moved in yet is, is a tough thing too. So
That’s very hard.
Yeah. And then outside of that, you know, the exterior, what’s going on outside of your house is so important to drainage, getting of a house, you know, how you’re directing water away from the roof. And if you have planters, all these different things by the house, external water impacts the house or easily. And so if you don’t have the proper drainage solution in place, you’re actually putting any house old or new at a higher risk for waters are impacting it in a lesser amount of time. So that’s, that’s another big piece of the equation too.
Do you have any water leak detectors that you would recommend, especially for under the sink?
you know, not a specific one. I know that there are units that you could put under there and they’ll, and they’ll trigger whenever there’s like a, I dunno if it’s a humidity level that hits or if it actually just feels water. But honestly that idea is amazing cause most people don’t look under their sinks ever. So if you have something like that under there, especially under your sayings by your dishwasher, by your water heater, anywhere where there are active water sources going on, that can act as your eyes and ears when you’re not paying attention to it. I mean that’s amazing. The faster or the more likely you’re going to be able to avoid a bigger problem.
And I also just want to emphasize that even when the person, or even when the mold is cleared up, or if a person leaves the home, the spores can still be inside the person and it can also travel with the belongings. And so they can still be contaminated with mold even after they leave a place or they remediate place.
Absolutely. And there’s two pieces of that from your contents and belongings. So you know, talking environment, there’s different testing we do in the house. Not only to identify where the source of the problem is located, that’s important. Is it dental walls and a ceiling because you have to remove the source. That’s like the factory creating coming from. But if you think of a factory and you drive by one, you know, smell comes out the top right. So they’re making whatever they’re making smoke is the byproduct. The same concept holds true with mold. And so if we think of it that way, the more colonies are releasing, spores and fragments and potentially toxins off the colony that’s now in our air. And it’s moving through and it will settle on our belongings and our contents. And so there’s different types of testing we do throughout the living spaces of the house using dust testing methods that will let us understand the load of mold.
If there’s mycotoxins, if there are bacterial toxins present in the house, if they are there in the living spaces like that, that means a settling on all your ball. Then we have a conversation about, okay, based on the data that we got out of those test results, what do we think needs to be done with your belongings? Are there certain things that we don’t think can be salvage or things that we think can be clean? So that’s a really big step of the process and you’re 100% right if you leave them all the house and go somewhere else, but will you bring all your stuff with you? You’re probably still going to be bringing contamination with you too. The other piece about the body, you know that’s where the, that’s where the doctors and the protocols Leo, that if you are being exposed in your house that their treatment protocols are only going to work unlimited amount.
You have to remove the ongoing environmental exposure. So the the treatments and the modalities that they put you on are effective and they don’t get constantly beat down by the environment and eventually your body can only, you know, can only hold that off so much. So they’ll always say fixing environment or get out of the environment first. Once we do that, the treatments that we’re going to do for you, whether they’re IB or whatever it is that they have doing for you, they’re going to start to take a whole, it might take some time, but at least you’re on the path to being able to start eliminating. That stuff’s here. You’re right on point with both of those.
And I just feel so bad when I read a lot of Facebook group forums when people said that they didn’t have enough money to leave the house and sell it and remediate everything and then buy a new house because of the closing fees and the renovation that they had to do. So they were stuck and yeah, I saw that, you know, if you buy a a house where they don’t disclose that there’s mold, the house can, the house owner can also be sued. So it’s just, it can be really sad for some people when they aren’t able to leave this space that they’re in. And it’s just really heartbreaking.
It is. It’s one of the things that like hits me the hardest doing what we do and it’s really why I want to try to create an education platform that’s really expensive for people. Because a lot of people, especially in the Facebook groups, I’m in a lot of them too, and a lot of people are, are looking and trying to find any information they can. The problem is a lot of the information that’s getting it isn’t correct. You know, who’s giving you that information? How do they know what’s the, what’s the, what’s the research that they’re referring to? That stuff. And the thing with the internet, the great thing and the bad thing about the internet is that anyone can give their opinion. And so, you know, having a source of information that no is coming from a place of, of expertise and working with people like you is so, so, so important.
And that’s actually why I started to pull myself out of interacting every S… fit in the mold and Facebook groups and actually creating more masterclass in the first place. I was like, okay, it’s to have a bigger impact. I need to be able to create one source where people can go to and get the information versus trying to like answer everybody one-on-one and then compete with somebody else who’s in the mold group who you know, says, Oh well that’s, that’s not how you do it. And now what does that person do? They don’t know. You know, there’s so many pieces of information, so it’s a lot. It’s a lot to take in. It’s overwhelming. Like I said earlier, God take things one step at a time, try to try to bring our kind of mental focus back to the now what the next step is and avoid that, that future pacing of stress. That hasn’t even happened yet. If we could do that, at least we’re, we’re retain as much of our cognitive function as we can and focus on what we can.
Yeah, definitely. Now, do you remote only in the States are also Canada and States and
right now we’re only in the States. we’ve gotten a lot of calls to try to travel up to Canada. There’s just some, some things that we would have to work out, you know, from the logistical standpoint to be able to make that happen. it’s something we’re thinking about is probably not on the mere radar to make that happen. There is however a secondary service that we’re working on creating [inaudible] to allow, it’s going to be more of a guided, do it yourself version of what we do, where we basically guide you on all the pictures and every single room, everything that we would need to see and it will be submitted to us. And then we’ll actually review everything. And through photographs that the client would take for us directly. We’d have video series, direct them on how to do all of it is, it’s going to be a very, kind of expansive platform as a way to try to, you know, service people that can, they’re sort of trying to think of options to
Help everyone. And you know, the testing and the inspections, there’s an expense to it. And I think, you know, people understand that if there’s options that we can provide that might be able to mitigate that a little bit, that’s what we’re trying to do. So by creating a training course by great creating a secondary service that, that, you know, kinda is more of a teamwork effort between the clients and us versus us sending our guy out there. There’s things we’re trying to put together this year as well as a larger education platform that I think is going to be helpful for a lot of these people. So there’s a lot of exciting things happening and we just got to start pumping them out.
Definitely. So, maybe you can also send me your link to your mold masterclass and I’ll include it in the description so that people can find it. Yeah. Any
last words for people who are listening? Thanks for listening to me talk for an hour. I think that’s, that’s a big one. Hopefully it wasn’t too boring.
It was interesting. So much great information. Thank you.
Good. No, I’m so happy that you had me on. I loved, I don’t know if you tie, I love talking about this stuff. I could talk for hours. So, thanks for indulging me and, and I hope everyone is able to take something beneficial out of this.
Yeah. And that if people want to contact you or find out more information about you, where can they find you?
Yeah, so I’m on Instagram or you can find me at moldmasterclass. That’s basically like the, the social platform that, that I’m using to expand on the mold masterclass teaching platform. So that’s a great place to reach me directly. My company is, and it’s atmo masterclass. My inspection company is called we inspect. So yes, we inspect.com is the ways to reach us there and that’s actually where we would be doing inspections and flying our consultants out and kind of doing the tandem. Personally, I’m still overseeing every single inspection that’s done throughout the company that way. So there’s a couple of ways, to reach us there and, and hopefully we can figure out a way to help anyone that needs it.
Yeah. I think that you guys are doing something amazing,
really, really appreciate that. I’m very passionate about it and I want to be able to make as big of a difference as we can and help as many people as we can. So we’re, we’re working towards that goal.
Yeah. It’s a mold is like a silent, silent killer cause like you mentioned, only 25% of people react. So that’s only one out of four people living in a house will get a symptom.
And that’s just the genetic predisposition that’s not considering people that have Lyme disease or autoimmune diseases or other things that could all impact it too. I’m working on a presentation right now. we’ll be presenting at the indoor air quality association annual meeting, which is like our biggest association or industry meeting. I’m presenting one of only five advanced level courses at the, at the meeting. And it’s about remediation for mold sensitive people. But in doing that, putting the research together for that, you know, when you start looking at the 25% of population, all the difference, health issues and, and people that can be exposed, I mean, it’s pushing 120,130 million people in the US
Wwow. That’s almost half of the, does that happen? US almost.
There’s, there’s like 327 million in the US we’re, we’re talking 120, 130, or you know, you’re almost like, was that like a third, a little more than a third of people between genetic predisposition and then other just conditions that they might have that make them susceptible? It’s a big chunk of people. A lot of them don’t even know that that’s what’s causing it.
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